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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 07:57:45 PM »

Please, go ahead  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 08:11:38 PM »

Back Alley http://msdn.duke4.net/hotballey.php was never put on DN-R no matter how many times I asked

I might do a review of it if you're okay with that

If you don't I can do it after I'm done with BNW. I do take requests.
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 11:14:27 PM »

Sure go ahead, I already know my opinion on this map so I'd like to see someone else's

plus I have this short simple map in such high regard i might overrate it with your site's standards
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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 01:14:05 AM »

Would you be willing to review my second map Libraryl?  ???
It's not a polymer map even though it has polymer lights, but it is designed for the HRP.
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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2012, 02:03:03 AM »

Sure go ahead, I already know my opinion on this map so I'd like to see someone else's

plus I have this short simple map in such high regard i might overrate it with your site's standards

I've played it enough times I can score it now

Texturing/Lighting-Shading: 10/10
Sprite Work/Detailing: 10/10
Ambiance: 10/10
Architecture: 19/20
Layout: 20/20
Gameplay/Design: 28/30
Overall: 97/100

But I'd like to play it again to get a better write-up and verify my initial rating

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Would you be willing to review my second map Libraryl?  ???
It's not a polymer map even though it has polymer lights, but it is designed for the HRP.


I can do this one as well.

edit: done, though exactly the most glamorous of reviews  :P
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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2012, 08:16:10 PM »

97 holy shit! Glad to see I'm finally not the only one to like this map so much, I was starting to feel weird
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2012, 01:48:16 AM »

97 holy shit! Glad to see I'm finally not the only one to like this map so much, I was starting to feel weird

I like the map too, but 97 seems high for a map that short.  I mean what if someone makes a map with rooms of the same quality but it is twice as big?  Do you give it the same score?  Seems to me that length should count for something.  Having said that, yes it is a good map and I actually don't know what score I would give it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2012, 03:04:26 AM »

As far as the quality is concerned, it's just slightly better than E1L1. Where balley picks up it's points compared to the original is that the game play is significantly more balanced as far as the weapons/supplies to enemy ratio.

Length to me wasn't that big of a concern. It's not that much shorter than E1L1 and it's a fully playable level.

I'm open minded and if you can provide a persuasive reason why I should change the score, I will.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2012, 03:50:24 AM »

I'm open minded and if you can provide a persuasive reason why I should change the score, I will.

I'm not really trying to get you to change your score, I'm just thinking philosophically about the implications of giving a score that high to a map that small.  Consider the following thought experiment.  Imagine that the map author comes forward with a longer version of the same map.  It starts the same way but when it gets to the current ending, it keeps going, and the new version is 3 times as long, with the same quality throughout.  And he says that the release of the earlier version was a mistake -- he intended to release the longer version all along and it has been sitting on his hard drive for years.  What score does the long version deserve?  Since you gave a 97 to the short version, you can give the longer version --which has same quality of design and 3 times the gameplay-- at most 3 points more.
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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2012, 04:17:46 AM »

That significant of a change in design and amount of game play would increase the gameplay/design score. The map would receive a 98 or 99, as long as the game play balance remained consistent.

If the map is longer and the quality of all things are equal, but the balance gets skewed, then the score wouldn't change or it might even go down, depending on how bad it gets.
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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 05:00:51 AM »

I remember Mikko also complaining about the length of the map. To me it's not a problem, I think the map is perfect as it is. There is no big ending or big boss at the end, but that's the point; this map was made as if it was E1L1 or E1L2. It would fit perfectly at the start of Metropolitan Mayhem for example. That is my point.
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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 08:28:32 AM »

Hey, Forge, could you please review my old episode, Bad Weekend?
http://msdn.duke4.net/hotbadweekend.php
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 11:31:36 AM »

I remember Mikko also complaining about the length of the map. To me it's not a problem, I think the map is perfect as it is. There is no big ending or big boss at the end, but that's the point; this map was made as if it was E1L1 or E1L2. It would fit perfectly at the start of Metropolitan Mayhem for example. That is my point.

It's a perfect map for what it is, an archetype of a good map, but it's not a great map. There's no way this map belongs in the 95th-98th percentile of Hot Maps as a rating of 97 would suggest. That'd be ludicrous.

Also, compared to E1L1, the map is just too generic and narrow to be a memorable experience like E1L1.
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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2012, 02:53:04 PM »

Hey, Forge, could you please review my old episode, Bad Weekend?
http://msdn.duke4.net/hotbadweekend.php

I'll have to discuss this with my boss. He gave me a file size cap and your project (at 32Mb) is over it.

I remember Mikko also complaining about the length of the map. To me it's not a problem, I think the map is perfect as it is. There is no big ending or big boss at the end, but that's the point; this map was made as if it was E1L1 or E1L2. It would fit perfectly at the start of Metropolitan Mayhem for example. That is my point.

It's a perfect map for what it is, an archetype of a good map, but it's not a great map. There's no way this map belongs in the 95th-98th percentile of Hot Maps as a rating of 97 would suggest. That'd be ludicrous.

Also, compared to E1L1, the map is just too generic and narrow to be a memorable experience like E1L1.

I can concede that I over rated the map, but I feel you under rated it at 86

After further consideration and the proper amount of sleep, I'm changing the score to 93
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Re: Reviews and Submissions
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2012, 07:03:59 PM »

Hey, Forge, could you please review my old episode, Bad Weekend?
http://msdn.duke4.net/hotbadweekend.php

I'll have to discuss this with my boss. He gave me a file size cap and your project (at 32Mb) is over it.

Request approved. I may not get to it immediately, but I will as my schedule and health allow.  (medical appointments and participation in a cbp are already planned)
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